From n0lrf@ott.net Sun Feb 01 19:09:25 1998 Received: from is.ott.net (is.ott.net [208.217.112.65]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id TAA08212 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:09:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from port27.ott.net (port27.ott.net [208.217.112.97]) by is.ott.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA18632 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:09:04 -0600 From: n0lrf@ott.net (Paul Stump) To: aprsqsy@tapr.org Subject: Thanks Frank & 144.390... Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 01:06:06 GMT Reply-To: n0lrf@ott.net Message-ID: <34d91648.20740543@mail.ott.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46rank Bauer wrote: >We are on the threshold of doing something really historic. >In addition, we will foster international goodwill. The >APRS/Manned Space alliance and the positive actions resulting from this >compromise, I am certain, will be held up to the international amateur >radio community as a role model of the true spirit of amateur radio >goodwill through frequency sharing. =20 Thanks Frank, This succinct and pragmatic explanation really says it all. Ham radio has & will always be, listening and transmitting on different frequencies. We, as amateur radio operators have accepted QSY as a part of life if we are to communicate as we wish in this diverse medium. I have been operating a 144.390 APRS station in the Kansas City area since 1/17/98. No QRM here. I also maintain a station on 145.790 MHz, gate to 18.107.7 MHz, and daily run a mobile on 145.790. MHz. =20 I'm in APRS for keeps. I plan to QSY everything to 144.390 in the future. That means I will be buying several crystals. I don't mind---it's part of the hobby. 73 & CU on the screen. Cheers, Paul Ottawa, KS, USA n0lrf@ott.net http://www.ott.net/~n0lrf/ From n1nfc@eagnet.com Sun Feb 01 19:27:22 1998 Received: from 2bg.eagnet.com (2bg.eagnet.com [199.76.206.50]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id TAA08910 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from bill.eagnet.com (unverified [199.76.206.73]) by eagnet.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 01 Feb 1998 20:23:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-Sender: n1nfc@eagnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 20:27:07 -0500 To: aprsqsy@tapr.org From: "Bill Carreira Jr. [N1NFC]" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When is the shift to 145.39 going to take place? or is it? I have seen some messages about the change but nothing formal. Clue me in so I can shift at the same time everybody else does. 73 Bill Carreira Jr. Email:n1nfc@eagnet.com NREMT-I :n1nfc@hotmail.com Kingsland Fire Rescue Kingsland, GA 31548 WWW: http://www.eagnet.com/edipage/user/n1nfc/n1nfc.htm http://www.eagnet.com/edipage/areaserv/kfd/kingsland.htm "The fire pentahedron consists of 5 things: heat, oxygen, fuel, chemical chain reaction, and the Chief. Take away any one of the five and the fire goes out!" From k4hg@tapr.org Sun Feb 01 20:45:26 1998 Received: from [206.175.96.70] (hdn84-070.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.96.70]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id UAA12317; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:44:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802020244.UAA12317@tapr.org> Subject: Re: [APRSQSY:61] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 21:44:48 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Steve Dimse K4HG To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 2/1/98 8:28 PM Bill Carreira Jr. [N1NFC] (n1nfc@eagnet.com) wrote: >When is the shift to 145.39 going to take place? or is it? >I have seen some messages about the change but nothing formal. Clue me in >so I can shift at the same time everybody else does. > The frequency is 144.39...there was a mis-print in the last QST column... There will be no official date for the QSY...it is up to each local area to decided if and when the move is the best choice for them. The best thing to do is ask the local digi owners what their plans are...there also will probably be quite a few bulletins on the air before people move... Steve K4HG From wa8inz@mindspring.com Thu Feb 05 04:33:12 1998 Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id EAA08320 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:33:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway (user-38lcmkp.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.153]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA02065 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:33:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D9955A.7C7F@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 04:32:58 -0600 From: William Nolle Reply-To: wa8inz@mindspring.com Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: APRS Subject: Old message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I came accross an old message while surfing the net and the message was from no other the Steve himself. -------------------------------- I think everyone is very much over-reacting to the present situation. 1. 145.800 is one of three freqs listed. 2. Even if it were the only one, there would be QRM to 145.79 for a few minutes at a time, several times a day. Not a 24 hr a day problem for us by any means. 3. The QRM from APRS to MIR will be far greater, since APRS consists of automated stations which will not be able to be shut down during a pass. I doubt they will continue using this freq over the US once they hear what it sounds like up there. My opinion, for the little it is worth, it to leave things were they are. If we move, next week someone may try to put something on 145.78! --------------------------------------------------------------------- I just found this interesting. -- William Nolle [wa8inz] wa8inz@mindspring.com wa8inz@amsat.org Hazel Green,AL From k4hg@tapr.org Thu Feb 05 05:03:26 1998 Received: from [206.175.183.133] (hd83-133.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.183.133]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id FAA09178; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:03:20 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802051103.FAA09178@tapr.org> Subject: Re: [APRSQSY:63] Old message Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 06:03:24 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Steve Dimse K4HG To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 2/5/98 5:36 AM William Nolle (wa8inz@mindspring.com) wrote: >I came accross an old message while surfing the net and the message was >from no other the Steve himself. >-------------------------------- >I think everyone is very much over-reacting to the present situation. > >1. 145.800 is one of three freqs listed. > >2. Even if it were the only one, there would be QRM to 145.79 for a few >minutes at a time, several times a day. Not a 24 hr a day problem for us >by any means. > >3. The QRM from APRS to MIR will be far greater, since APRS consists of >automated stations which will not be able to be shut down during a pass. >I doubt they will continue using this freq over the US once they hear >what it sounds like up there. > >My opinion, for the little it is worth, it to leave things were they >are. If we move, next week someone may try to put something on 145.78! >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >I just found this interesting. This message is what, a couple years old? It also was addressing a proposal to move to 145.785. I think you missed an even more recent (perhaps a year), more negative one, that pertains to moving to 144.39. These messages show a very selfish attitude, and were written before I understood the problems associated with finding a worldwide frequency for manned space operations, and before I realized how much better things could be for all of us if we cooperate instead of fighting for turf. Much as I would like to be right all the time, I'm not. As an emergency physician, I need to be constantly re-evaluating my diagnosis and management decisions as new information becomes available. Having others' lives on the line is a great way to learn to bury your ego when making decisions. Yes, I have the ability to change my mind, as new facts and opinions become available. Yes, I can look at things from a wider perspective than my own selfish interests. These are things I am proud of, not ashamed of! I find it interesting that you found the message interesting... Steve K4HG From schiers@netins.net Thu Feb 05 12:32:06 1998 Received: from ins6.netins.net (ins6.netins.net [167.142.225.6]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA07033; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:32:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from netins.net (desm-28-07.dialup.netins.net [167.142.23.136]) by ins6.netins.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA24675; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:32:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34D9D23F.F3D2795@netins.net> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 08:52:47 -0600 From: hasan schiers Reply-To: schiers@netins.net Organization: Mainstream Living Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: k4hg@tapr.org CC: aprsqsy@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSQSY:64] Re: Old message References: <199802051103.FAA09178@tapr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And I find it tedious that some people continue to find bogus and irrelevant things to whine about, and cheap shot others. Bill, it's this simple: if you don't want to move, you don't have to. Please stop the snide stuff. Throwing someone's comments back in his face after a considerable period of time has passed is a bad faith practice. You should know better. On many occasions in the past you have bleated on to the sig about your poor treatment. Now you engage in the very behaviors that you indicated so disturbed you. Steve changed his mind based on further reflection and changing circumstances. He is to be commended for his approach, if not his conclusions. Instead of trying to make him look bad for modifying his postion, he should be credited for giving the issue due consideration. If we want to get into using our previous statements in perpetuity against us, might I remind you that on at least one occasion, you left the aprs sigs in a snit, vowing not to return. You certainly must have reconsidered. Should we level this same bad-faith criticism against you? So, please, give us all a break. If you must comment further, please stick to the issues and do not engage in ad hominem attacks. What goes around, comes around. Moving or not moving is a LOCAL issue. No one can make anyone do anything about moving to 144.39 or staying put. Steve put it on the table, attempted to bring some order and thoughtfulness to the discussion and has now let it lay. It's up to us to decide what to do. We can do whatever we want. Let's just be civil and respectful about it. 73 Steve Dimse K4HG wrote: > On 2/5/98 5:36 AM William Nolle (wa8inz@mindspring.com) wrote: > > >I came accross an old message while surfing the net and the message was > >from no other the Steve himself. > >-------------------------------- > >I think everyone is very much over-reacting to the present situation. > > > >1. 145.800 is one of three freqs listed. > > > >2. Even if it were the only one, there would be QRM to 145.79 for a few > >minutes at a time, several times a day. Not a 24 hr a day problem for us > >by any means. > > > >3. The QRM from APRS to MIR will be far greater, since APRS consists of > >automated stations which will not be able to be shut down during a pass. > >I doubt they will continue using this freq over the US once they hear > >what it sounds like up there. > > > >My opinion, for the little it is worth, it to leave things were they > >are. If we move, next week someone may try to put something on 145.78! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >I just found this interesting. > > This message is what, a couple years old? It also was addressing a > proposal to move to 145.785. I think you missed an even more recent > (perhaps a year), more negative one, that pertains to moving to 144.39. > These messages show a very selfish attitude, and were written before I > understood the problems associated with finding a worldwide frequency for > manned space operations, and before I realized how much better things > could be for all of us if we cooperate instead of fighting for turf. > > Much as I would like to be right all the time, I'm not. As an emergency > physician, I need to be constantly re-evaluating my diagnosis and > management decisions as new information becomes available. Having others' > lives on the line is a great way to learn to bury your ego when making > decisions. > > Yes, I have the ability to change my mind, as new facts and opinions > become available. Yes, I can look at things from a wider perspective than > my own selfish interests. These are things I am proud of, not ashamed of! > > I find it interesting that you found the message interesting... > > Steve K4HG -- hasan, N0AN schiers@netins.net From ku0g@kcaprs.org Thu Feb 05 13:53:41 1998 Received: from mail.kc.idir.net (mail.kc.idir.net [209.172.192.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA18753; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:53:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from kcaprs.org (port44.max1.kc.idir.net [209.172.192.244]) by mail.kc.idir.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12665; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:53:30 -0600 Message-ID: <34DA1985.D869798C@kcaprs.org> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 13:56:54 -0600 From: Jim Duncan Reply-To: ku0g@kcaprs.org Organization: Kansas City APRS Working Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "aprssig@tapr.org" , aprsqsy@tapr.org Subject: KCAWG Meeting to Feature Frank Bauer... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank Bauer will be the special guest speaker at the February Kansas City APRS Working Group meeting. The meeting will be THIS SATURDAY, Feb. 7th, 1:00 p.m. I realize this is late notice but we just received word of Frank's visit late last night. We want to encourage APRS users who are able to make it Kansas City this Saturday to attend and take advantage of this opportunity to speak directly with the person responsible for initiating the QSY Proposal. The meeting time is pushed back by two hours from our regular lunch/meeting to accomodate those who may wish to travel in from outside the area. Talk-in will be on 146.55 simplex. Meeting location is Tortilla Flats Mexican Restaurant, Gladstone, Mo. Directions: The restaurant is located approximately 1.5 miles north of I-35 on Antioch Road in Kansas City North at 58th and N. Antioch. If you need better directions, please let me know... -- 73 de Jim, KU0G Chairman/Coordinator Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR Rogue Squadron Storm Chasers Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org BorgNet: 1st of 10 From wd5ivd@tapr.org Fri Feb 06 13:09:24 1998 Received: from [208.134.134.40] ([208.134.134.40]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA29489 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:09:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:09:15 -0600 To: aprsqsy@tapr.org From: "Greg Jones, WD5IVD" Subject: Updated APRS QSY Survey I just added another 18 surveys. http://www.tapr.org/aprsqsy Cheers - Greg ----- Greg Jones, WD5IVD Austin, Texas wd5ivd@tapr.org http://www.tapr.org/~wd5ivd Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. From schiers@netins.net Sat Feb 07 15:45:40 1998 Received: from ins8.netins.net (ins8.netins.net [167.142.225.8]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA10503 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:45:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from netins.net (desm-28-06.dialup.netins.net [167.142.23.135]) by ins8.netins.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA05370 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:46:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34DCD600.52A8D0F2@netins.net> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 15:45:36 -0600 From: hasan schiers Reply-To: schiers@netins.net Organization: Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprsqsy@tapr.org Subject: Iowa Moving to 144.390 today Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The move is official and underway today. Notice has gone out to eastern Iowa that the network is/has moved. The largest area coverage digi in the state moved this afternoon, KI0BW-4. At this point Central, Southern and Western Iowa have been notified of the impending move. Bulletins will be issued for several hours informing all who monitor that the move has happened. I will be permanently qsy'ing (whatever permanent means), sometime later this evening. The network is frequency agile. If for some strange reason the move doesn't work, we can move back. 73 -- hasan, N0AN schiers@netins.net From ku0g@kcaprs.org Sat Feb 07 16:41:17 1998 Received: from mail.kc.idir.net (mail.kc.idir.net [209.172.192.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA13258; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:41:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from kcaprs.org (port13.max1.kc.idir.net [209.172.192.213]) by mail.kc.idir.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04342; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:41:14 -0600 Message-ID: <34DCE3B2.E4FF16A7@kcaprs.org> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:44:03 -0600 From: Jim Duncan Reply-To: ku0g@kcaprs.org Organization: Kansas City APRS Working Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "aprssig@tapr.org" , kcawg@kcaprs.org CC: aprsqsy@tapr.org Subject: Midwest to QSY... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Kansas City APRS Working Groups wishes to acknowledge it's sincere appreciation to Frank Bauer, KA3HDO, for traveling to our meeting today and speaking with both members and visitors on the QSY Proposal. While not everyone is yet convinced that moving is a good thing, we welcome the opportunity to address our concerns directly "to the source". On the resolution of Chairman Jim Duncan, KU0G, and in cooperation with digipeater owners and operators in Missouri, Iowa, Kansas and Nebraska all digipeaters owned/operated/coordinated by KCAWG will switch frequency to 144.39 MHz effective SATURDAY, MARCH 1, 1998. We wish to note that this resolution does NOT endorse nor reject the proposal as submitted by AMSAT, TAPR or ARRL however we are agreed that in the spirit of cooperation we are willing to put aside personal feelings, animosities and objections for the proposal in the best interest of the APRS community. Effective immediately, a cross-band gateway will be placed into operation in Kansas City and will remain on-line for a minimum of three months to maintain connectivity between the two channels. This VHF-VHF gateway will operate with an Gateway alias of WIDE so will be, effectively, invisible and require no special operator intervention to use. To those who have supported our opposition and taken side with KCAWG, we thank you for your support and now encourage you to seriously consider following our lead. Thanks again to Mr. Bauer for his efforts. Your dedication and conviction are certainly respected! -- 73 de Jim, KU0G Chairman/Coordinator Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR Rogue Squadron Storm Chasers Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org BorgNet: 1st of 10 From stanzepa@mail2.nai.net Mon Feb 09 18:03:26 1998 Received: from usa.nai.net (usa.nai.net [204.71.21.10]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA15507 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:03:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from 208.133.162.77 (Bridgeport-Usr2-20.nai.net [208.133.162.77]) by usa.nai.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA24454 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:57:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802092357.SAA24454@usa.nai.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:03:44 +0000 Subject: APRSSIG problems From: Stan Horzepa To: aprsqsy@tapr.org Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you subscribe to the APRSSIG and have not been receiving SIG messages the last few days, please resubscribe to the SIG. Problems at the SIG computer have likely erased your subscription information. Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, APRSSIG chairman From jimgill@home.com Thu Feb 12 01:22:08 1998 Received: from ha1.rdc1.ne.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.ne.home.com [24.2.4.66]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id BAA16004 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:22:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from home.com ([24.3.246.22]) by ha1.rdc1.ne.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA14217 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:22:04 -0800 Message-ID: <34E2A31D.158043B7@home.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:22:06 -0600 From: Jim Gill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "aprsqsy@tapr.org" Subject: 144.39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Omaha/Des Moines/SW Iowa/NW Missouri are now on 144.390 Mhz. P.S. Any plans to change the many local TCPIP port numbers from 14579 to 14439 once we get this change fully implemented? Just curious. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jim Gill, N0RMO mailto:jimgill@home.com http://members.home.net/jimgill From schiers@netins.net Sat Feb 14 08:15:58 1998 Received: from ins8.netins.net (ins8.netins.net [167.142.225.8]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA29183; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:15:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from netins.net (desm-28-47.dialup.netins.net [167.142.23.176]) by ins8.netins.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA02211; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:17:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34E5A718.AAC5DC76@netins.net> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:15:52 -0600 From: hasan schiers Reply-To: schiers@netins.net Organization: Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: milnes@openix.com CC: aprssig@tapr.org, aprsqsy@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21046] National QSY Date References: <3.0.5.32.19980213101614.00794150@openix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralph Milnes wrote: > > The Dallas/Fort Worth area will QSY to 144.39 on March 1. We invite all > >Texas stations and our neighbors in NM, LA and OK to join us if you can! > > While I applaud the move, I'm concerned about the helter-skelter selection > of regional QSY dates. It would be great if someone would propose a > national "target" date for this. Maybe Don R. was right in suggesting a > April 1 cutover, although May 1 or June 1 would allow more time for > necessary equipment changes to be made and snow to melt in the north > country. Certainly, everyone is free to QSY if and when they want based on > their personal preferences, but aren't there advantages to a coordinated move? > > How about May 1st? > > I realize this isn't supposed to be discussed here, so send any comments to > the QSY list -- which I don't participate in. Let us know what ya'll decide. My apologies to the list for commenting here, but this last statement just has to be dealt with (I hope for the last time). "Let us know what ya'al decide"....this just isn't how it works. The conversion to 144.39 is a LOCAL issue, i.e., the dates are determined by the local participants and are NOT coordinated with a national move. It won't work from the top down. It works from the bottom up. So don't wait for a date. There may be a date when a lot of people move, but by then, a lot of local groups will have already moved and if you are in that area, you will have been all alone for quite some time. So work with your local area gurus to develop the date. We in Iowa had planned to move March 1...but guess what? We moved last week! Why? We had a tech out at the remote digi site (the widest coverage digi in the state at 320') and he offered to move us while he was there. We said yes, notified as many as possible, posted bulletins on the old freq and on the internet sigs, sent private msgs, you name it, we did it all in the space of a few hours. Within 3 days, all but two stations had moved. One needs its chip programmed. I give this example to show the kind of variables that can come into play that make an "official" target date meaningless. So don't wait....coordinate....and the move will go as smoothly as possible. At this point our results have been outstanding. Everything is working better, perhaps due to reduced interference, and other random variables. YMMV. 73 Please reply via the aprsqsy sig. I do not want to start a thread about this on aprssig, but merely clear up the misconception that there is some "official" position from the top down that means something as far as any local group moving. There isn't, it doesn't and it won't work that way anyway. Move when you have your local act together and sufficient coordination has been done with groups on the edges, if you are concerned about their interfacing with your local area. 73 Again, I apologize for making the comments here and I beg you not to start a response thread on APRSSIG...take it to APRSQSY and thanks. 73 -- hasan, N0AN schiers@netins.net From ddoulou@gte.net Mon Feb 16 08:51:31 1998 Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net (smtp1.gte.net [207.115.153.30]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA23394; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:51:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from wingate (1Cust3.tnt1.st-petersburg.fl.da.uu.net [208.254.30.3]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id IAA12855; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:51:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <02a101bd3aea$5bf541c0$0100a8c0@wingate> Reply-To: "Demos Doulou" From: "Demos Doulou" To: , "NFLAPRS list" , "APRS Sig Florida" , Subject: Pinellas KF4FOH-10 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:47:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Well the Orlando fest is over and the meeting of the Florida APRS Users group is done. I will be staying with my original plans to move the Pinellas KF4FOH-10, and the new -11 digi to 144.390 Mhz during the first week of March. 73 Demos KR4US From LGPlush@compuserve.com Wed Feb 18 21:35:34 1998 Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com (arl-img-7.compuserve.com [149.174.217.137]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA21090 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:35:32 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id WAA04187 for aprsqsy@tapr.org; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:35:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:33:54 -0500 From: "Lloyd G. Plush" Subject: Colorado QSY Sender: "Lloyd G. Plush" To: APRSQSY Message-ID: <199802182234_MC2-33DB-47A5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Just posting this to let everyone know Colorado plans on their APRS QSY around March 1. All of the aprs in Colorado, that we know of, is along t= he mountain front range (eastern side) which includes Ft. Collins, Boulder,= Brighton, Denver and its metro areas, and on into and including Colorado Springs. The date is not firm as we have a problem to overcome before th= e change can be made. We all can just punch in the new frequency so that i= s easy for us all. However our very wide coverage digi is located on a mountain top northwest of Denver and southwest of Boulder at an altitude = of 10,500 feet. This time of year all the roads are closed to the mountain top due to large snow fall and the only way to the digi is by snow cat. = We are hoping the sysop of the digi can hitch a ride on the snow cat around the 1st of March or shortly after and make the frequency change of our ap= rs WIDE digi. Will post another message here when change has been completed= and we have made our APRS QSY in Colorado. 73...Lloyd/ KB0MQQ (Denver APRS Gate) From 71301.3106@compuserve.com Thu Feb 19 11:04:15 1998 Received: from hil-img-2.compuserve.com (hil-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.177.132]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id LAA18017 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:04:14 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id MAA07847 for aprsqsy@tapr.org; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:03:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:58:41 -0500 From: Mike Musick <71301.3106@compuserve.com> Subject: St. Louis to QSY 4/4 Sender: Mike Musick <71301.3106@compuserve.com> To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com Message-ID: <199802191203_MC2-33F8-A50A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Barring bad weather (early April is in the middle of our severe weather season), the St. Louis area WIDEs (K0PFX-8 and N9PPJ) and GATEs (N9PPJ-2 and N0QBF) will QSY to 144.390 on Saturday, April 4. With any luck, the rest of the network will move with us. ;-) UHF will remain on 445.925 @ 9600bps. ...mike/N0QBF 71301.3106@compuserve.com From kb8vee@netonecom.net Mon Feb 23 10:57:34 1998 Received: from netone.netonecom.net (root@netone.netonecom.net [207.142.160.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA00991 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:57:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from mkg-61.netonecom.net (mkg-61.netonecom.net [207.142.165.61]) by netone.netonecom.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29943 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by mkg-61.netonecom.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD4052.34519660@mkg-61.netonecom.net>; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:57:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD4052.34519660@mkg-61.netonecom.net> From: TOM VANDERMEL To: "'aprsqsy@tapr.org'" Subject: Michigan QSY Date Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:56:01 -0500 Encoding: 13 TEXT To All your information After talking to Sam K8SN and John K1DE in Michigan we have decided to QSY to 144.39 on March 14 1998. We made this decided after the North Illinois group on Saturday Feb. 21 decided to QSY on that date. We will be changing the frequency or all our Digi's on March 13/14 in our area. Thanks to all for the help on this move. 73 To all Signed Tom VanderMel Michigan District 6 Emergency Coordinator APRS Digi Owner From ddoulou@gte.net Fri Feb 27 11:14:36 1998 Received: from smtp2.mailsrvcs.net (smtp2.gte.net [207.115.153.31]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id LAA05130; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:14:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from wingate (1Cust222.tnt1.st-petersburg.fl.da.uu.net [208.254.30.222]) by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id LAA05798; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:14:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <016901bd43a3$25c5eb60$0100a8c0@wingate> Reply-To: "Demos Doulou" From: "Demos Doulou" To: , , "South Florida Hams List" , "NFL APRS Sig" , "Florida ARES/RACES List" , "APRS Sig National" , "APRS Sig Florida" Subject: KF4FOH-10 Pinellas Cty Florida Digi Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:14:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The KF4FOH-10 Pinellas Cty Florida APRS digi has switched to 144.390 Mhz as of today, 2/27/98. Hope to see you all there. 73 Demos KR4US